Oh btw don't know how much LA you're getting from garlic canola tube sauce, but once you get into the habit, using fresh garlic is trivial & even fun. Smash it with the knife, peel (3 seconds), chop briefly (5s), toss in, done. Could even get one of those little garlic presses so you don't have to chop.
Great post. I think everyone should learn the basics of thinking like an economist, e.g. "on the margin," "compared to what" and "at what cost."
I also like your "hierarchy of seed oils" with direct/indirect. I wonder what a good name is for pork/chicken ones?
I would actually separate nuts/seeds from pork/chicken, because they would have the same PUFA profile without being "fed PUFAs" unlike pork/chicken.
Maybe "transitive seed oils" haha not sure, sounds too technical.
I do think pork & chicken are particularly bad because, like fried foods, they are typically heated like crazy. I guess nuts are roasted, too, so not sure about that. But bacon is typically fried into oblivion, and then people cook eggs in the grease.
So bacon is practically a deep fried food in that sense. Whereas sauces are typically served cold & never heated, so the only oxidation happens in the body or at room temp. Which is also bad, but probably less bad all else being equal.
So my categories would be (in order of badness):
1. Deep fried food
2. Indirect seed oils (in UPF)
3. Bacon/chicken
4. Direct seed oils (unless you eat tons of them, it's all marginal)
5. Nuts/seeds/eggs (unless --^)
One issue is that people have vastly different ideas of what "normal" intake is. For example, I never really ate nuts/seeds until I read about paleo. Then I started binging on them. When I regained my 100lbs on keto, I was eating nuts at work every day, cause nuts & cheese were the only keto snacks available.
So a normal person might think "Nuts don't matter, I eat a handful every other week" but then some people will eat an entire bag of mixed nuts every day.
Same for roast chicken w/ the skin, or bacon, or salad dressing.. heck, one time I ate exclusively at In-n-out every day for nearly 3 weeks, not realizing that that's probably 50g of soybean oil per day in the sauce alone.
Eggs similar. If you eat an egg a day, it's probably fine. But some carnivores are posting a picture of 10 eggs every day. I ate about a carton PER MEAL when I was trying out carnivore since they were so easy to prep vs. meat.
Thanks! I agree with this. The dose matters a lot and is person-specific. And I really should break up bacon/chicken from nuts/seeds/eggs.
On the chicken and pork, I think it also matters whether the cut is fatty or lean. But I haven't looked for any hard data on LA composition of chicken breast vs. chicken thigh, for example. (It's hard to find a "lean cut" of pork, other than a trimmed pork chop.)
A carton of eggs per meal is wild! I don't like eggs that much. (Maybe the most I've ever eaten at a meal is 6? I rarely can eat more than 3 eggs per day.)
Oh btw don't know how much LA you're getting from garlic canola tube sauce, but once you get into the habit, using fresh garlic is trivial & even fun. Smash it with the knife, peel (3 seconds), chop briefly (5s), toss in, done. Could even get one of those little garlic presses so you don't have to chop.
I used to do this quite often. I just don't like doing it! I suppose it's the smell of the residual garlic juice that I don't like.
Yea def gotta wash your hands before you touch your eyes lol
Great post. I think everyone should learn the basics of thinking like an economist, e.g. "on the margin," "compared to what" and "at what cost."
I also like your "hierarchy of seed oils" with direct/indirect. I wonder what a good name is for pork/chicken ones?
I would actually separate nuts/seeds from pork/chicken, because they would have the same PUFA profile without being "fed PUFAs" unlike pork/chicken.
Maybe "transitive seed oils" haha not sure, sounds too technical.
I do think pork & chicken are particularly bad because, like fried foods, they are typically heated like crazy. I guess nuts are roasted, too, so not sure about that. But bacon is typically fried into oblivion, and then people cook eggs in the grease.
So bacon is practically a deep fried food in that sense. Whereas sauces are typically served cold & never heated, so the only oxidation happens in the body or at room temp. Which is also bad, but probably less bad all else being equal.
So my categories would be (in order of badness):
1. Deep fried food
2. Indirect seed oils (in UPF)
3. Bacon/chicken
4. Direct seed oils (unless you eat tons of them, it's all marginal)
5. Nuts/seeds/eggs (unless --^)
One issue is that people have vastly different ideas of what "normal" intake is. For example, I never really ate nuts/seeds until I read about paleo. Then I started binging on them. When I regained my 100lbs on keto, I was eating nuts at work every day, cause nuts & cheese were the only keto snacks available.
So a normal person might think "Nuts don't matter, I eat a handful every other week" but then some people will eat an entire bag of mixed nuts every day.
Same for roast chicken w/ the skin, or bacon, or salad dressing.. heck, one time I ate exclusively at In-n-out every day for nearly 3 weeks, not realizing that that's probably 50g of soybean oil per day in the sauce alone.
Eggs similar. If you eat an egg a day, it's probably fine. But some carnivores are posting a picture of 10 eggs every day. I ate about a carton PER MEAL when I was trying out carnivore since they were so easy to prep vs. meat.
Thanks! I agree with this. The dose matters a lot and is person-specific. And I really should break up bacon/chicken from nuts/seeds/eggs.
On the chicken and pork, I think it also matters whether the cut is fatty or lean. But I haven't looked for any hard data on LA composition of chicken breast vs. chicken thigh, for example. (It's hard to find a "lean cut" of pork, other than a trimmed pork chop.)
A carton of eggs per meal is wild! I don't like eggs that much. (Maybe the most I've ever eaten at a meal is 6? I rarely can eat more than 3 eggs per day.)